It's a decades old debate at the Wedge - an iconic part of Newport Beach where you can find the 20 to 30 feet waves surfers love.
And that's where the debate starts because all types of surfers want to ride those waves - or try to, at least - from the traditional surfers to body surfers, no boards needed.
Because the two can't surf in close proximity at the same time - it's not safe - at the Wedge there's a 'Blackball Ban' in effect from May 1st through October 31st. That means when surfers see the yellow flag with a black dot go up at 10am, they must pull their boards out of the water. Only body surfing allowed.
The ban's been challenged many times and once again, signatures are being collected to, shall we say, blackball the blackball ban.
A city panel, the Blackball Working Group, will be discussing a review of surfing regulations at a public meeting at 6:00 o'clock tonight at the Newport Beach Civic Center.